Podcast Episode 01: Ruby Joule
EPISODE 01 : RUBY JOULE
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Jolie Goodnight is an international award winning burlesque headliner, jazz singer, and pioneer of the singing striptease of the Modern Burlesque Revival. Hailing back to the days of glitz and glamour, Goodnight has dazzled audiences around the world with classic fan dances and singing that Music News Magazine describes as, “if she sang the phone book to you it would sound sexy.”
FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT:
Hey everyone and welcome to Made of Stardust, I'm your host Jolie, Goodnight, and this is a podcast about people who aspire to inspire each one of our guests has something special about them: a spirited spark to them. That breeds life into the people they inspire. After all, that's what the word inspire originally meant to breathe life into this podcast is supported by listener. Support so go to jolly good nightcoatie to help keep made of stardust shooting for the stars, get access to exclusive content every month and all the fun goodies. Today, I'm joined by international burlesque sensation and star of stage and screen Ruby Joule. Twenty First Century Burlesk magazine in London named her the poised porcelain princess of teas and she's, one most classic at the burlet call of fame twice. That's part of the reason I wanted to talk to her today. Ruby Joule is known for her uncanny abilities through Glamour, grace and poise to transport you to another time and that's a special quality to bring a two thousand and twenty one audience back to one thousand nine hundred and forty one with such ease in a world. That's obsessed with trends. It's inspiring to see someone effortlessly reflect such a profound sense of authenticity and Glamor throughout her classic inspired career. My take away from this episode just wait until you hear her advice about confidence seriously, life changing hi Ruby. Do I dolly good night? How are you I, like your coop, I'm good? How are you you I'm doing fabulous busy busy? is He busy that's good? It's good to stay, stay busy or occupied, or there's probably a better way to put it other than were busy. I think, but I not sound glamorous, show girls at work dally delightfully. I don't know what do people tell their kids to go do when they tell them like it's time to go play like other than go occupy yourself. I don't know we got so early, an kids in your neyer delightfully entertained thanks. So much for joining me today, especially in these maiden voyages of made of star dust. Yes, I'm so excited to be a part of it yeah we er, listen to all of them. Yeah we're going to have some really cool guests on I'm excited, but for those of you who don't know Ruby jewel is my burlesque best and we're also in the same burlesque troop the Jigglewatts for less review, which were definitely going to cover a bit today. So for the folks who don't know you personally, I have to say that one of the things that inspired me just from the get go before I met you just when I saw you perform, was your uncanny ability to have this poise and grace, and also that you transported me to another time, and especially for people who are in burlesque or pin up or anything, that's like fantasy one o one for us is getting to feel like we're back in e s again and that's something that you do really well so. My first question, though, is what did you aspire to be when you grew up well. First of all, thank you. That means the world that is, that is my goal, not to be sexy or pretty, or you know any of those things, but really to bring someone into a whole new universe with me. So thank you, yeah. I mean it when, when I was little I, my mother wrote a lot of an only child, so my mother wrote down a lot of things that I said one of those things was. She asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up- and I said a lady incredible wow. What did that? What did that mean to you? What did you mind by a lady? Well, here's here's! My theory is that I was fascinated with the the trappings of of the grown up, lady, the Glamor, basically, but not knowing the word for it at three years old, but you know high heels and makeup and the the shape of clothing, and you know I never wanted to o wear children's clothes. I just wanted to wear like night gowns and things yeah. I was just so entranced by femininity itself, and so that's what I want to that's. What I wanted to be- and so that led to immediately to ballet lessons so because that was to me the most feminine thing you could possibly do with the a ballerina so that and then, when I learned that I couldn't be a ballerina later on in life, then it was theater and still being on stage and in front of people. But I just I wanted to be a pretty pretty princess forever. I get it. I actually even remember my very first little nighty, you know a little pink nighty with a lace bottom on it and, like I remember what it looked like, what it felt like like. I remember the whole Shebang and I didn't know that it was going to have an influence on me at the time, but like that, that little night gown and those plastic pink high heels member, the plastic heels that you would get as a yeah elastic thing across the tower to keep them on. It was like I yeah a Ollies, Oh my God revelation o inside for ban. Oh Man Yeah. They were really hard to keep on and they hurt. But so then, what led you from ballet and theater and all of those things to burlesque? How did you end up here? Well, I had never heard the word for burlesque and I had no idea that it existed, except through little dropped, hints and clues that I picked up along the way watching all Hollywood musicals movies and through watching the muppet show, and those of you who are fans of the muffle motet show will know exactly what I mean, especially if you watched the episodes from the s recently. It was it's just like light bulbs going off left and right about how burlesque that show is so so sometime in the early two sands, I saw a poster up in one of the local theaters. I was doing a lot of theater at the time and it said something something burlesque, but the imagery was like a leg in a high heeled shoe and it seemed stocking and red curtains behind it and, like you know, an entranced audience, and I was like what is this burlesk thing. You say, and you know, sort of Innugi my costars in the play going is this. I don't know, let's go check it out and we did, and it was just like it was like meeting all of your best friends for the first time after ten years. It was like this. Is that thing it's called Burlesk? How do you spell that? Let me just write that down and then from then on it was tons of research. Looking on my space, trying to connect with the performers here and and just learning all I could finding out about the legends and doing what I could to get involved so yeah, that's how I found it to begin with, okay, okay and so who were the performers at the time like what was set the scene a little bit. What was Austin Burlesque like when you started the Austin Burlesque lesk scene was pretty non existent. There was there were two troops red light for burlesque and Kitty Kitty, Bang, Bang and it seemed like they would do- shows maybe once or twice a year big productions. So there was no like regular, ongoing performance scene and I feel, like I contacted both of them at different times to ask about auditions, because I didn't know any better, and you know I wouldn't hear back when you're back and I think finally was like they're not holding auditions or somewhat. Someone was kind enough to get back to me and now being in a troop and knowing how it works. I know exactly why they don't hold auditions. It doesn't work that way so so yeah there are, there really was just not a sea, and that was probably from about two thousand and two to two thousand and six whenever, whenever the perfect storm of the Juggalo came together and we decided that we could make it happen for ourselves, so the first show that you did was a giggle watch. Show then, yes, okay, our show was, was the Jigglewatts first show ohow? Did that feel? What was it like? Oh my gosh we spent about. I think we spent about two months or six weeks preparing for the show, and we all came from theater backgrounds and film and TV backgrounds acting and dance, and so we really wanted there to be. We wanted a motivation to take our clothes off and each and most of the acts were duets or trios. There were very few, I think, only one so low it was mine and it was at the last minute so professional. So we spent a lot of time coming up with these acts that had a speech one had a storyline kind of to it, so that when it came time to disrobe there was a reason for it and anyway we spend a lot of time getting everything prepared and it felt it felt great creatively. But then, when I got on stage that night, this had never happened to me before I was terrified for the first time ever being on stage. I was so terrified because the realization hit me all of a sudden that everything I was about to do on stage. That night was my own choice. There was no no one else to point to no other, no director, no one who would cast me in this role. I cast my own, so I'd better measure up and no script to follow. It was just all me from soup to nuts music choice, choriography costuming and it just felt like so much pressure, and I was like what have I done. My legs started shaking uncontrollably and I was like everyone can see that I'm shaking just keep smiling. I had this horror like I sunk into this horrible depression of like just sort of what what have I done, what what is this that I've stepped into right now, so it was kind of it was kind of wobbly up first, just because it was so different from anything. I'd ever tried before, and it really didn't have anything to do with nudity or you know revealing myself in front of people. That was, you know. I feel like I done that forever, just in dance, but this was a new bearing of my soul and it was heavy at first yeah. You know I coming from a theater background. I did the exact same thing with my first for less routines. I sat down and had the the motivation and the object and the like. I had everything written down for it and then, whenever I got on stage and started doing it. Unfortunately, all that acting training had given me a fourth wall and the fourth law is, you know for for Non Theater folks, it's that barrier, that actors have between the stage and the audience, and it's really rare that you see the fourth wall. Broken you'll, see it like in Shakespeare and stuff every once in a while with these little asides that are said to the audience. But for the most part you have a wall up, and I had worried so much about my motivation and all the things in my Burlesque routine that I had no idea that I actually had to have no fourth wall to have a successful burlesque, less act and I think that's what was making me so nervous was that it turns out. My motivation was to reach people and reached the back of the room, and the motivation was like to titillate and to communicate something that was like other worldly, and it felt like such a different responsibility than just remembering lines exactly yeah, it's more than it's storytelling in a different way. It's a more direct yeah. It turns off the story you're telling, even when you put on a bit of upper less character, the story you're telling is still like: Hey we're all hanging out right in the same room together, and this is exciting together and all of this is happening together. That was a really new experience and it sounds like you had a little bit of that same baby, deer leg moment and then so. So how was it moving forward like? Did you feel that same way? The next time that you did it or yeah the next few times? I did it. I think it took me probably about a year to get past the the physical manifestations of this strange anxiety about this new thing that I was doing where all the pressure was on me creatively. T I remember my leg shaking and I'm like, I'm, not even scared, stop it stop it and I was like yeah. I remember thinking I'm never going to get past this. How in the world, my God- I guess- maybe this isn't for me, but eventually- and I really can't point to a single moment where it changed, but eventually it just calmed down and and that's when I really began to completely enjoy it and a lot of that had to do with the people I was working with to because we were all kind of in the same boat. So there is so much support in the burlesque community and I feel like that was there for us as soon as we started, or maybe we were just so Dorky and happy go lucky about it- that a lot of people liked us, but we really try to be respectful of the other performers who were here before we got started, and we just had nothing for at but admiration for all of them and I think they kind of were like. Oh, okay, all are cool. I guess- and you know more support came out of that, so I think I think I started to just ride on that that supportive wave and realize it's going to be okay, we're all doing this together, Yeah Yeah! Well, you know part of the maiden star dust idea. I guess is I I was thinking of in French. The difference between the words aspire and inspire because they're opposite from English, and it turns out really the idea behind it is that you're breathing life into something when you aspire or when you inspire it has to do with taking breath and giving breath. So you know, I know that in burlesque, a lot of what we do is breathing life into something, and I think there are a lot of misconceptions also about this art form. So I wanted to ask you: How would you define it and breathe life into it for someone who's, maybe never experienced it before wow that question as a lot of layers? How would I? How would I breathe life and well it's such it's so difficult, because I never know where someone is coming from and I've heard so many people's way different takes on what they think or less is or what it might be, and maybe they're just talking about the word or the movie. If, if we take the word in the movie out of the equation, this thing that starts with a B, it's like it's a kind of theater and dance theater and movement that now every time I come up with words to describe it. This other voice is like, oh, but what about that? Oh? But what about that? It is just so hard to pin down. I feel, like I don't know yeah, I know that's, not helpful. I wish I had a better answer. I think that is helpful. I think that's kind of the nature of a lot of art and a lot of art forms and Generalis Man, I'm sure before you know, when money, for example, when money came along, it was like this atrocity to art like they were shocked. They were angry. There were like all of all these feelings about it and I think in general, people feel ways about art forms, be it a genre of music or how a painting should or shouldn't be done, or how burlesque in this case should or shouldn't be done. People that what art all the time about works of art just like they say, that's, not burlesque about or listen right. So what then, do you think is so inspiring about Burlee, either from for performers or audience or all of the above? What do you think that makes it just such a massively inspiring art form? I think that it that maybe it's the same in a lot of ways for performers and for an audience, because I think performers at one time were an audience that saw Burlesk for the first time, and I think it's that moment where you imagine yourself up there and you think I can imagine or I can see, or I can plan on doing that myself and, I think, an audience even if they never become up or less performer. I think one of the most powerful things about Burlesk, and especially about its inclusively, is that people see themselves represented on stage, so I would say that's represented and celebrated. At the same time, I think that's the most inspiring thing. What inspired you to do? Burlesque I mean, I know that you saw the poster and you saw that little aesthetic kind of creep in or pop in rather, but what do you think like really just made you go? Ah, okay, this is this is it this is my. This is the other love of my life kind of thing yeah. I think that it was the same thing that terrified me about it. It was this. This art form where I could be on stage I could perform and I could entertain and I could be one hundred percent in complete control of everything going on. I got to choose what I wore what I danced to what I did, how fast, how slow how long I got to make all of those calls. Instead of I mean that's quite a change from auditioning, you know getting to be the casting director and every other role. I think that's really what what has kept me doing it for so long, a yeah. I think that there's an accessibility to it, the traditional acting, doesn't really tend to have where your fate doesn't feel quite so determined by other people. All the time I mean a fate. Your fate becomes really massively determined by you and and sure you have to like get hired and be put into shows and into festivals. But for the most part, if you have a lot of drive and will and just the the courage to walk up to people and be like hi, I'm duly good night- and I really want to be in your show- then usually you're going to get in a show. I mean that's most most people it turns out, are really talented and you don't have to fight for one spot, because there's so much talent in the world and there's so many stages and there's so many spots to put them in, but speaking of festivals. I wanted to ask about your titles at for less call of fame for the folks that are tuning in that don't know what BHOF call of famous there's a museum about Burlesk that you should go visit and Vegas, and it's really well curated and really well done and very informative, especially kind of as a Burlesk on a one chapter and a great introduction, but there's also a week ender and it sort of the the Mecca for buless performers and for less legends. We get to hang out with the the folks who did it before us and learn from them, but and see them perform sometimes as well, but as far as inspirations and aspirations go. Did you aspire to win those titles or we are you sort of a whatever? Whatever happens happens or like? Are you goal oriented? How do what was your approach for? Burlesque call of fame. Well, I really do not enjoy or less competitions. I like sharing what I'm going to do, but I don't like knowing that I'm being lined up against a bunch of other people and compared and evaluated to see who liked who better so I didn't really go into it. With that in mind, I really wanted to I wanted to perform and I didn't care which night it was on. I just really wanted to be a part of this big thing. This huge historic thing is what it felt like and still does, and so I had been applying to perform for a couple of years before I was accepted, and so when I got in and I got in in the debute category, I was thrilled and surprised and again just really really thrilled to to even be a part of it. So then winning it was like all this and heaven too no to perform on the stage, and now I get this big trophy, I mean that's pretty cool yeah. I didn't have any designs on winning. I thought it would be nice, but I didn't. I didn't really go after that or really like want that, and did it change anything for you like after after the first time or the second time, did you notice any changes like as an artist or in your career. I feel like I maybe got hired to be a part of some local, like royalty, themed, shows and a few folks from different festivals reached out to me to common perform, but I was trying to. I was really trying to grow my cachet. I guess, and my my name and be put myself out there and grow those connections anyway without the without these awards, but I think they definitely helped, but I don't think that on their own, that they really did anything I really had to. I was in prime hustle mode during those years, and it really wore me out, but I think they were kind of they were helpful, but they didn't really change anything I wouldn't say yeah. You know I feel like the more autobiographies I read and biographies. I read it sort of seems like goal setting is like not harmful, but I have to search for the right. Word but it's almost like, if you just go ahead and enjoy the journey that you're on rather than aiming for a thing and then being disappointed. If that thing doesn't happen or like being really excited at that thing happened and now you're kind of like well now. What am I supposed to do, because this happened that and then I I think the journey is maybe more of the goal, and we just don't realize it if that makes sense. Yes, one a hundred percent one hundred percent. I have been thinking a lot about goals kind of recently, because I, like I kind of don't really have any. I have that sounds strange to say, but I have desires. I have things that I want that. I would love to have happened, but I feel like a goal is a desire with a specific time frame attached to it, and I really feel like I'm just leaving the timing up to the universe, and I want what I want and I'm just going to follow the path of least resistance as it lights up and and go with the flow. That's what's been working out the best for me honestly, so I'm going to stick with it. So I fully support you with like gals yeah, I mean you're, the one who taught me path of least resistance, and I feel like that was such a big lesson to learn of like if you're fighting and fighting and fighting and fighting for something. But there's this other thing that's like over. On the other side of the room or of your life, that's going like hey, but like I'm here and at some point it's may be better to go to that other thing: that's like waving its hands at you and and beckoning you and welcoming you and opening the door for you then, like maybe it's time to not go into doors that you're not really supposed to walk into, or at least not yet, like maybe you're supposed to go through that other door to get to that other one later on and to trust. The timing of you know path of least resistance, but I also have found that that requires some confidence and some trust. So you know, I think, sometimes people confuse perfection and you're one of those people that comes off as as just impeccably perfectly. You know, like I said, like old Hollywood earlier, but what I wonder, then, is what inspires you to feel confident, because even if we don't feel confident, you must have something inside of you in there. That's making you feel confident in order to keep following that path of least resistance and I've worked. I've worked on confidence. My whole life- I don't know if this will answer your question, but it's what's coming to mind. So when way before Burlesque, when I was really had aspirations to be a model- and I was working on my portofolio getting a lot of photos and going out for a runaway shows- and things like that, I was so self conscious about different parts of my face and my body and someone told me or hurt somewhere it's about attitude. You gotta have attitude. I was like what is this mystical attitude thing that everyone seems to have and want, and what is attitude? What is that, and it dawned on me one day that what they meant or what I chose to interpret it, as was the sense of yes, so yeah my nose looks like this so or whatever I'm not tall enough or I'm a few pounds heavier than you want me to be so that attitude and the next time I was I was on the runway and that my next few photo shoots after that they came out so good was so just walking into the room. Instead of thinking about these things that I'm really self conscious about, I just flip it and go. This is what gives me attitude so I'm going to do it, and this is going to be this is going to this is going to provide the confidence I go so that is so smart, that's genius! I can't believe I've never asked you that question like and all of our zillions of hours in the car together, because I'm really excited to use that next time, I'm like model attitude and you do yeah, because even admittedly, even with this podcast, like I fully believe in what I'm wanting to do with these questions and with the idea behind it, you know we're all made of Stardust and at some point we're all going to go back to being startest, and I want to interview people who are inspiring me in the time that they're given you know this is the time that you're given to be Ruby Joule and I'm inspired by what you're doing with that time. You're given, but, as you know, I'm developing the PODCAST, I'm like okay, who all is on the Dream List and I'll think of people and then I'll be like. But what, if they say? No and now I know the response is so so o attitude I got at atitude as the French would say. Well, so I know then, you've had this. This incredible career that involves pen up modeling and burlesque and acting- and you know I know that you still have these other rules- that you do occasionally in movies and things. So I know that takes momentum, just continuous momentum. So what in fires to you like what images or or like whatever it could be? Actually what is it that inspires you to keep on keeping on m the S for sure? What about the s? Well, at the S was such a beautiful time in fashion, when we were going back to dour is a dors, a new look that way they became really popular. Again, I don't was it dor brought it back, Mugler brought it back uh Dior was in the it was post World War Two and then it was Mugler at brought it back into all of the young you and Gaultier. Something with that during his time. If you think all of those fellows did, I'm pretty sure all a between gotier and Galiano and then probably dor, whoever was designing again in the S and s brought, you know all the references to the s definitely yeah. I think so that time period was at the same time period where I was kind of coming into my own and my own sense of style and realizing. I didn't have to dress the same way all my friends did or I could find new friends and we were more compatible with and it was. It was just a really interesting time to see what was happening in art and fashion and media aesthetically, and I find myself as that comes back and gets more popular now that it's reinspiring me and I'm remembering that spark of what kind of got me interested in the first place. So that's just what popped into my head as that question yeah, I didn't know if you meant, like musically the s o. That makes sense that s fashion and it's funny because right now I feel like the s fashion. That's really in style is more the like. I don't know if it's that Bohemian teenager look something yeah a lot of this weird fusion, a kind of a the like Chunky, heels and meats clueless meets something, but it's funny because I'm having the same thing of like because that's what I was wearing then, but now I all I can do instead is refer back to the s that I missed out on because, like you, I wanted to be a lady and I was wearing these like kind of little girl clothes. But what I really wanted to be wearing was like massive sunglasses and huge hats and silhouettes that made my waist look like you know the size like a Martini glass shape. Yeah essentially, and I wanted to look like a wine glass stem you know, and so then, what's inspiring you that's. So that's such an interesting answer because when I think of you, I always think of is, but it makes sense because all of that is such a throwback to that for and in s shapes and yeah. That's my version of the foes that I got to live through and then so just being a musician myself. I have to ask like what inspires you, musically now, yeah sure right now, oh right now what is inspiring me as remixes? I think I'm I've been listening to the same decades worth of blues and jazz for so long that now I'm kind of like eager for something that sounds a little new. Like the I love a lot of electric wing, but a lot of it is just way too fast and hectic for me. So I like slowed down electric swing, or it has a little pop of that modern twist to it low firemesh some of my very favorite yeah, it's tough to say, I'm always looking for that kind of next thing, but you you know it when you hear it, you know what I mean and like you can be somewhere out in public and your ears just park up like what is that and you immediately she sam it like I'm, going to keep them death for later yeah yeah, and then what would you say? Inspired you when you were first starting and burlesque like musically visually, doesn't matter. I really referred a lot back to the legends and when I was first starting, I didn't really even know the tarm legend it wasn't until I went to be off for the first time and learned, but I was looking back to that. I was trying to watch everything I could find on Youtube, which, in that time there were. You know you could watch everything there was in about thirty minutes so trying to find old videos to just to learn more about beleft. What was this thing? And why is no one talking about it? Why were we not taught so learning about the history of it really inspired me in part, probably because it seems so rare, so kind of hard to find, and you had to dig a lot. So it seems like a treasure when you found it and I would try to see what other performers were doing, but I wasn't as inspired by other people as much as I was by by legends by Lily, Saint Cyr and by Tempest storm and betty page, because she had a lot of videos where she was portrayed as a as a burlesk performer. So I would have to say the history really in one word yeah, it's funny thinking about like when I first started, which I think it was maybe a year after you and I was looking at videos or trying to find videos- and it was like a couple of betty page, but you know, of course she hasn't really taking anything off. She just kind of dry rates around and then you know there were some they're really cute, they're really sweet, and you know there were a couple of of course now we know them as the legends, but at the time like I didn't know, their late names didn't know who they were, and it still was an an accurate representation because they weren't removing many clothing pieces and in those videos, I guess because of laws and things probably they were just having to like. Do the dance moves sort of somewhat politely, but without really getting to actually do their routines, the way they would have done them normally. So it's interesting looking back on what inspired us then, because it was a little bit made up, was a little bit fiction like I think we got inspired by something that was not necessarily the whole story and then had to run with this like half truth or a fourth of a truth and and create something that wasn't really we we created something essentially that wasn't the whole truth. But now we have all this access to legends, and I wondered if in the process, if you've had any mentors or if you've had anyone that you really looked up to and learn from yes, one that really really stands out to me and she's no longer in this plane, Joan Arlene was a. She was a trained Ballerina and I think she had her own ballet school and I think that maybe she was only active in Burly Q for about six years, but I met her at for less call of fame and she taught an amazing workshop, and I was so impressed by that blend of ballet technique and burlesque technique, because she that's how she approached it like. This is the technique and and that someone could blend those two worlds in their own career and she seems she seemed like a ballet teacher. She seemed like a real god of stickler for Er turnout, and so so I'm a really really grateful that I got to meet and learn from her. She was the original sex squir girl. With the magazine cut out on stage the big prop of the magazine cut out that she must stand in for her costume from the S E yeah. I mean, of course, Tiffany Carter has been so kind and generous with what she knows. I mean she'll. Just give you an impromptu dust or lesson lesson in her bedroom. You happened to ask her about it and there's I mean there are just some so many, but I've been really lucky to meet Shannon Doah, my Gosh Yeah, those are probably tiffany and Shannon are probably the closest the closest ones to me. Yeah, oh well, I mean you know it's funny, because I feel the same way, definitely about tiffany Carter and especially all the the incredible blessings of her throwing those parties with all the legends. Whenever we would go on tour, the jigots always made a stop on tour to Tiffany Carter's home. Even if we weren't performing in Vegas, it was like how do we root ourselves to Vegas, so we can stay with Mama tiffany and every time we had those parties or those dinners, and we had the pleasure of sitting around and just hearing stories. I feel like. I became a better performer just through learning their very strong opinions, yeaing, whether I agreed or disagreed. I became a better performer and a better professional just being able to sort through what was of their time and what's of our time and and then you know, I have to say, and- and I don't know if it's cheesy or not, but when I became a juggled and I had you and Coco 'Lectric, as these sort of like sister guides, is that a thing is a sister guide, a thing you know. I felt like such a kinship with y'll and like Ye, were my sisters, not necessarily straightforward mentors, but I had people who were dug in in the same way that I was who were trying for the same things that I was and we were able to kind of be in the same group act together, both literally and figuratively and and in a way that's kind of like having a mentorship. I knew I could always ask o questions. I could always ask for advice. I could always not have to be alone in Showbiz, which can be kind of a lonely career. You know, even if you have bandmates bandmates are busy doing their own thing, but there's a different kind of sisterhood or Brotherhood that happens in burlesque. I think that a lot of careers don't have so I you know. I know that's like a really sentimental answer, but that's definitely. The truth is always having these kind of guide posts that I could return back to that make I mean, and then you know, I think that they had these invisible mentors and you might fill this too and that we didn't have a lot of research to go by, as we were saying before so I felt like I could watch movies and see a scene and dreamed that that was me and learn from what she was doing and not doing and learn what power a wink has and learning from Rita heywards, like I feel like great it Rita Hayworth was a mentor to me. I could learn the power of a hair flip. You know w what a power o o I feel like it should be part of Burlesque. An a one class is perhaps, is like how how to how to do that hair flop, but I'm not talking Choreo S, hair flip. I mean that Rita Heyworth, one o swift hair over your back with, like that. You ll need one exactly absolutely well so thinking about you know where you are now and then, where you started with Burlesk and pin up and everything what are some of the experiences that you've had the surprised you that weren't, like necessarily part of a goal, but just made you go okay, yeah. This is why this is why I'm doing this. This is why I go ahead and and struggle through a career like shoves. There was one time after I did my Snow Queen Number. This is kind of early on this. Lady came up to me and she said I almost started crying at your act. I was like, Oh really, that is the biggest compliment I've ever received and when I first started doing snow Queen, I was really self conscious because the audience was really quiet like not screaming yell and jumping up and down standing up in their chairs, like they would always do everything single time for cocoa. So I was like maybe there's so many. I need to not A. I need to look at this act a little bit better and when she came up and and gave me that amazing compliment, I understood. Oh that's what this act is about. Okay, I'm gonna lean into that, so just little moments of realizing that when you put when you really put your heart into something creative and I and it feels you can just tell that that it's that it's developing in a beautiful way. You can't always predict how it's how people are going to receive it, and that can be a little disconcerting, especially coming from a theater background, if you're used to getting the laugh or getting the whatever reaction, but it can just take one person to give you a little bit of feedback and it just affirms. Okay, I was doing the right thing. This is on the right track, and that is what I intended to do. So I guess that's a big one other than that. Really everything that's happened in my career has been kind of a surprise moment, because I I can't say that I really set out to achieve this or that thing apart from very generally. I would love to perform at behalf. I would love to perform at New York for less festival. You have no control over the outcome, so you just go with that flow and the most amazing surprises were less has taken need to perform around the world in a way that acting did not professional dance did not, but this did- and I hope I'm not done yet- no you're not done yet. If I have anything to say about it, you're absolutely not done yet yeah. It's just hitting the hitting the pause button and we're all hitting the pause button. And then you know we're maybe we're finding new ways to press what was it like record and play at the same time whenever you're recording on a tape like remember it speaking of the s. If you wanted to record a song on a tape from the radio, I think you had to like press record and play at the same time or at least on my player. So maybe that's, maybe that's more accurate. Maybe we're not pressing pause. We're just like trying to record record some things from the radio instead of our own stuff. I don't know yeah, definitely a redirect. Maybe it's that take dat change to the second one yeah yeah. Do you think you know you are talking about ttechnique? Do you find yourself applying the techniques that you learned through a ballet through theater to your life in Burlesque, kin and pin up like a is technique, a part of it? I think I've developed my own version of technique and I would have to say that it has more to do with posing than with actual dance technique or or movement. I think maybe it had to do with dance technique at the beginning, but then, a over the years I developed a different vocabulary of movement that lent itself more to the image I was trying to create with or less so that I mean I didn't want to look like a ballerina. Taking her clothes off. There's way too much turn out in ballet yeah with. Maybe it's like more of a show girl dance technique. I mean there's. Definitely some definitely a lot of jazz influence, but I think that it's kind of its own little its own little world of movement that that each person kind of boils down to there's a there's, a cooking term. Is it a consume yeah or like a rue sort of or like a wine a reduction over a wine reduction is that is that why we drink so much champagne is it's just part of the reduction of no that has to do with bad there's. Many words will take us there yeah boiling down to a new set of techniques for sight. Well, so I have one more question for you. You know, I think a lot of people right now are pivoting and even past two thousand and twenty one. I think this question will always hold true for anyone who is aspiring to be something or to do something different or to change careers or whatever the case may be, and so I wanted to ask you if you have any advice, people who for people who are trying to figure out where to begin? Where did you begin and how can that help? Other folks? Just start doing something fresh and different: Do you mean with Burlesque or with this new world, that with anything I mean you can relate it to yourself in terms of how? How did you personally just go? Okay, now I'm doing this, I began by getting myself excited about it with burlesque in the beginning and now with burlesque as it is now in its more digital form. I really resisted that a lot last year. No, no, not for me and now, like I'm dressed for a music video type thing, I'm working on right now tonight, so things have changed and in both cases it was a matter of kind of flirting myself into it. If that makes sense, like M, don't you're going to dream this big dream, you're going to have this desire, don't trample it just let it gently gain some momentum and I think the way you do, that is by doing a research learning what you can about it talking to other people about it, but be gentle with yourself. Don't don't push yourself too hard or too fast just you got to really learn like that line between ow. This feels exciting, and this feels good, oh my gosh. This feels overwhelming. I can't do it. I hate it like find where that line is and when you start to feel it hup up just like go, do something else for a while go. You know, have a glass of campaign or something, but I'd say that is the key to probably anything that you want life is flirt your way into it. Yeah I was going to say it kind of sounds like really good dating advice to I like were all doing here. Listen love affair with the world. I love that I love affair with the world. Well, it's been such a pleasure jewel thanks so much for joining me and pleasure, for I thank you. It's great to have your start us to share to make the world more sparkly and, and then I can, how can people find you o well right now, my my main home of choices on instagram at Ruby, jewel joule, the Nardi smelling I'd also on Facebook, I'm also on Ruby Jolo, but instagram is a into instagram. My Jam right now so reach out. Okay! Well, thank you so much jewel, and I hope that I get to cheers. You very soon then needs to cheers. That's it for this episode of made of Stardust. Thank you. So much for tuning in this podcast is supported by listeners like you. 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